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	<title>Comments on: Ryanair Flight Lands on Cagliari Taxiway Instead of Runway</title>
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	<description>YES......Another One!</description>
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		<title>By: Herman Geysemans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman Geysemans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably Ryanair estimates that the cost are lower when landing on the taxiway...? That is what happens if you keep on bringing down the prices of the tickets: passenger service is highly affected; so is pilots&#039;s training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably Ryanair estimates that the cost are lower when landing on the taxiway&#8230;? That is what happens if you keep on bringing down the prices of the tickets: passenger service is highly affected; so is pilots&#8217;s training.</p>
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		<title>By: Flight Attendant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flight Attendant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adriano,

Thanks for your comments. However, my point is not that the landing performance was affected - and I am completely aware of the taxiway being used as a runway in the days leading up to the incident. But, one aircraft out of how many failed to land on the correct landing strip?! To my knowledge - just this one. Please feel free to correct me if I&#039;m wrong....

If you had read correctly, I also pointed my finger at ATC. The link to the article that you procided even states that this was being treated as a serious incident. I simply stated that the authorities were investigating the lack of preparedness of the flight crew - which is fact.

I am not one to create unnecessary panic. I offer a free help website for those with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flyingfear.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fear of flying&lt;/a&gt;, so that was never my intention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adriano,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. However, my point is not that the landing performance was affected &#8211; and I am completely aware of the taxiway being used as a runway in the days leading up to the incident. But, one aircraft out of how many failed to land on the correct landing strip?! To my knowledge &#8211; just this one. Please feel free to correct me if I&#8217;m wrong&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you had read correctly, I also pointed my finger at ATC. The link to the article that you procided even states that this was being treated as a serious incident. I simply stated that the authorities were investigating the lack of preparedness of the flight crew &#8211; which is fact.</p>
<p>I am not one to create unnecessary panic. I offer a free help website for those with a <a href="http://www.flyingfear.net" rel="nofollow">fear of flying</a>, so that was never my intention.</p>
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		<title>By: adriano</title>
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		<dc:creator>adriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is SO stupid.. if you are not informed about aviation just don&#039;t write about it!

There was ongoing maintenance on the runway, so the taxiway was used BY ALL ARRIVING aircraft as a runway until 4 DAYS BEFORE the incident.That taxiway and runway have the same lenght and there is no risk associated with the use of one or the other regarding landing performance of the aircrafts...

The approach charts that the pilots used were not updated (there is a standard update cycle every 28 days) and the notification of the switch between taxiway and runway (notam)was simply overlooked by the airline&#039;s dispatchers prior to the beginning of the flight...

So I shall repeat myself.. just don&#039;t contribute to create unnecessary panic in aviation and remember that every accident is simply a chain of events and the pilots are not necessarily the ones to blame!

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=417f434b&amp;opt=4864</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is SO stupid.. if you are not informed about aviation just don&#8217;t write about it!</p>
<p>There was ongoing maintenance on the runway, so the taxiway was used BY ALL ARRIVING aircraft as a runway until 4 DAYS BEFORE the incident.That taxiway and runway have the same lenght and there is no risk associated with the use of one or the other regarding landing performance of the aircrafts&#8230;</p>
<p>The approach charts that the pilots used were not updated (there is a standard update cycle every 28 days) and the notification of the switch between taxiway and runway (notam)was simply overlooked by the airline&#8217;s dispatchers prior to the beginning of the flight&#8230;</p>
<p>So I shall repeat myself.. just don&#8217;t contribute to create unnecessary panic in aviation and remember that every accident is simply a chain of events and the pilots are not necessarily the ones to blame!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.avherald.com/h?article=417f434b&amp;opt=4864" rel="nofollow">http://www.avherald.com/h?article=417f434b&amp;opt=4864</a></p>
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		<title>By: 2009 &#8211; Ryanair &#8211; Cagliari &#171; Low Cost Carriers Accidents or Incidents</title>
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		<dc:creator>2009 &#8211; Ryanair &#8211; Cagliari &#171; Low Cost Carriers Accidents or Incidents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ryanair Flight Lands on Cagliari Taxiway Instead of Runway [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flight Attendant</title>
		<link>http://www.flyingfear.net/diary_of_a_flight_attendant/2009/04/ryanair-flight-lands-on-cagliari-taxiway-instead-of-runway/comment-page-1/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>Flight Attendant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Marc, it&#039;s good to hear the opinion of someone with expertise in ATC. 

Will definitely save your email address for future use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Marc, it&#8217;s good to hear the opinion of someone with expertise in ATC. </p>
<p>Will definitely save your email address for future use!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi !

I just discovered you blog and read your post, and since I&#039;m an air traffic controller, I just wanted to give you my five cents on the story...

All you said here above is absolutely right. I just wanted to add that, even with bad air traffic control exists (indeed, that happens, sometimes some stupid persons get through the selection net, or the controller can have a bad day, be overworked, etc.), the pilot-in-command keeps the final word. And moreover, whatever the type of approach chosen or forced upon him, there is always a point in the descent where the pilot has to have the runway in sight (if he has no visual reference he has to start of missed approach procedure, i.e.  climbing to a safer altitude and starting the approach again) and from the point where he&#039;s visual with the runway, ATC has no influence on his landing. There are exceptions, but nothing could explain the ATC responsibility when landing on a taxiway.

However, bad ATC could contribute to increase pilot&#039;s fatigue, loss of situation awareness, confusion in the cockpit, things like that.

On the other side, an experienced air traffic controller can usually see, just by looking outside from the tower cab, if an aircraft is correctly established on final (let alone if the controller is equipped with a radar) and inform the pilot or directly instruct him to go-around.

There are quite of few stories as well of pilots seeing some lights neatly arranged in a row (like an highway, or a road) and thinking this is the runway there looking for. (Ever had a 747 land on your roof ?) 

(BTW, don&#039;t hesitate to mail me if there&#039;s ever anything that bugs you about ATC...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi !</p>
<p>I just discovered you blog and read your post, and since I&#8217;m an air traffic controller, I just wanted to give you my five cents on the story&#8230;</p>
<p>All you said here above is absolutely right. I just wanted to add that, even with bad air traffic control exists (indeed, that happens, sometimes some stupid persons get through the selection net, or the controller can have a bad day, be overworked, etc.), the pilot-in-command keeps the final word. And moreover, whatever the type of approach chosen or forced upon him, there is always a point in the descent where the pilot has to have the runway in sight (if he has no visual reference he has to start of missed approach procedure, i.e.  climbing to a safer altitude and starting the approach again) and from the point where he&#8217;s visual with the runway, ATC has no influence on his landing. There are exceptions, but nothing could explain the ATC responsibility when landing on a taxiway.</p>
<p>However, bad ATC could contribute to increase pilot&#8217;s fatigue, loss of situation awareness, confusion in the cockpit, things like that.</p>
<p>On the other side, an experienced air traffic controller can usually see, just by looking outside from the tower cab, if an aircraft is correctly established on final (let alone if the controller is equipped with a radar) and inform the pilot or directly instruct him to go-around.</p>
<p>There are quite of few stories as well of pilots seeing some lights neatly arranged in a row (like an highway, or a road) and thinking this is the runway there looking for. (Ever had a 747 land on your roof ?) </p>
<p>(BTW, don&#8217;t hesitate to mail me if there&#8217;s ever anything that bugs you about ATC&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Flight Attendant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flight Attendant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Air Traffic Control do a fantastic job in keeping aircraft a safe distance apart, but it seems they add confusion in some circumstances such as this one.

Either way though, the pilots still made an error - and one that should be thoroughly investigated.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Air Traffic Control do a fantastic job in keeping aircraft a safe distance apart, but it seems they add confusion in some circumstances such as this one.</p>
<p>Either way though, the pilots still made an error &#8211; and one that should be thoroughly investigated&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Get A Trip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get A Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We thought this was a much more tightly regulated thing, in that there would be one approach and one landing area just for your flight or there could be some confusion. Surprised they haven&#039;t had major accidents as a direct result of this. But like everything in life there is always room for improvement and air traffic control is no different. All in all they do a pretty good job considering the sheer number of flights that come and go daily. Our hats are off to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We thought this was a much more tightly regulated thing, in that there would be one approach and one landing area just for your flight or there could be some confusion. Surprised they haven&#8217;t had major accidents as a direct result of this. But like everything in life there is always room for improvement and air traffic control is no different. All in all they do a pretty good job considering the sheer number of flights that come and go daily. Our hats are off to them.</p>
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